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the first one the motors are over revving constantly, by the last one it almost floats off from not enough gain I'm talking about the pitch/roll in basic and atti. i've fallen on 120 basic, 80 atti and it's as smooth as can get it. Have made 232 go pro vids trying to tune it so far since new...

this is a video onboard of 150-150-130-90 with atti at 80 this was 120-120-130-95 atti 80 honestly i could barely make out the high frequency osscilation with naked eye or ground cameras now the battery and camera are underneath, it got even smoother from not fighting itself balancing...

super easy, plug it in and click what you want logged. I've done alot of heli r&d and it was invaluable there you can also bring it up in graph view to see when and where what happened

one thing i've found with cameras on this thing is get them mounted to something that has alot of intersecting structure like a leg. I've also hard mounted mine and it's filming as good as one would expect. That flap will let the camera shake just touching the camera, when you get it back in...

if you turn down manual, your suppose to turn up atti from my understanding. i think your shooting in the neighborhood of 200 combigned +-20 or so Fox, got any onboard footage to see what these numbers film like?

when i loaded mine up for fpv/osd/gps it comes in at 3 lbs 11 oz with gopro and 4s 5000mah lipo, hits 38-40 amps max in atti full throttle, mis stick in forward flight is graphing 18-20 amp continuous with 10x4.7 apc. mine was a 3s kit. now 3s at this weight about half way through a pack barely...

Gave it my first go last night with a point and shoot

ok cool, so it's just a behaviour of it. let me know how the low numbers go for ya. When i first got mine and it had 100 in every slot it was a ***** to fly in manual, but once i bumped into the 120's for roll/tilt it seems to be super steady, but it will fall off axis. I'm a scale helicopter...

the usa graupner shop just got 10x5 in stock http://www.v-eastonline.com/categories/Graupner-Prop-Shop/Graupner-E%252dProps/

I think i hit the bottom end where it gets drifty on mine, not bouncy at all, but today when i got it leaned as far forward as it'd tilt in atti, almost couldn't get it back to level. pulled full back a long time and it finally leveled out. kinda thought it was going in, but it finally came back...

the difference between there indestructable test you posted and your crash is the weight of everything in the frame. Toss it around empty and you loose alot of the energy I dropped mine from way up, lipo slid out....... broke a prop and bent 2 motors, frame was fine. 70 degrees...

the stock 3s motors, on 4s with the apc 10x4.7 and alot of time on the prop balancer I'm on 960-48

I'm happier with the way it flies like this than the looks, and they look awesome

I test flew mine earlier and it still drifts one thing i noticed is i got the fpv tx on top of the naza, when i change the angle of the antenae in the rotor wash, it drifts different directions. Gonna take it off the naza here in a bit and try again

isn't hobby-wing in china? expensive slow shipping when the parts cost the same. cnchelicopter has em, addictiverc has em, alot of dealers in US got em and have ya back in the air in a couple days

http://www.multirotorforums.com/showthread.php?2099-F450-carbon-fiber-landing-gear-extensions

Got my legs today and mounted em up. moved everything down and oh my, shes as stable as i've seen her yet. Can't wait for the sun to come back around

I don't know what part of what i just did, but mine just straightened up. i got legs for it from yuri and moved everything down underneath, also got my camera off that ear of the frame and got it mounted back by a leg. moved 5000mah 4s underneath as well as moved the bec and a sattelite rx. also...

next time you fly, hold the cyclic so it goes any direction, without letting go of the sticks flip into atti and tell me what yours does. i've done it over and over. yep, perfectly still, over 200 flights now. When i setup in assistant, can see one of the bars shake a little, wonder if that's...

that happened to my gopro 1 month out of warranty,,,,,