Camera gimbal stabilisation system

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wildnrg

Member
I need a standalone stabilisation system to stabilise my AV200 mount and to let my camera man operate the pitch/roll/pan of the gimbal as well as shutter control.

Whilst my Mikrokopter can provide roll/pitch stabilisation, I need a standalone system like the FY30A which can be hooked up to a separate RC RX which the camera man operates.

Unfortunately the FY30A doesn't do a great job, even though has a camera gimbal mode. I find that you can only program the gains but can not program the end points for the gimbal. This means that even with 125% TX throws, the camera camera can not point the camera straight down as we can't program enough "end point" to give full movement control.

Apparently the Picloc 3X Pro has the feature set, however, I've heard it sucks and the manufacturer doesn't even both to return my emails.
 

redridinghood

redridinghood

Member
FYI George Mamo the creator of Picloc offers the best service around. I believe the units are all sold out. Maybe the high demand will make him do another batch.
If you leave him an email he will respond to you in due time. He mentioned a while ago that he had over 500 unread emails.
 

Bartman

Bartman

Welcome to MultiRotorForums.com!!
George has been trying to address bugs with the preparation of a new firmware release.......maybe try an OpenPilot CC board until more Piclocs are made
 

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daniel

Member
im using my Picloc 3X, only for the roll, and works amazing, never seen a horizon level like that....

for the the tilt im using a align gyro connected to my dx8, and the pan have no gyro...

for now this works good, the cameraman is happy, he dont have to worry for the roll, just concentrate in pan and tilt.....

This setup is for now,...im just waiting for George to fix the picloc 3X features so i can use it as is supposed to......

Patience with George!!
 

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wildnrg

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Whilst his intention might be to provide "the best service around", the fact that he doesn't answer 500 unread emails, would be an indicator that he doesn't provide the best service around. Maybe if he answers emails promptly he would have no unread emails, you could say that he provides the best service around.

redridinghood said:
FYI George Mamo the creator of Picloc offers the best service around. I believe the units are all sold out. Maybe the high demand will make him do another batch.
If you leave him an email he will respond to you in due time. He mentioned a while ago that he had over 500 unread emails.
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redridinghood

redridinghood

Member
wildnrg said:
Whilst his intention might be to provide "the best service around", the fact that he doesn't answer 500 unread emails, would be an indicator that he doesn't provide the best service around. Maybe if he answers emails promptly he would have no unread emails, you could say that he provides the best service around.
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Ok... let me rephrase. He provides the best support to owners of picloc. He does that by prioritizing the owners emails.

Would it be better in your book if he ignored existing owners and answered emails requesting to buy a product that's sold out?
 

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wildnrg

Member
OK, there are that many owners with problems that he can't keep up with his emails?

I just heard from a gimbal manufacturer that the Picloc 3X doesn't work well.
redridinghood said:
Ok... let me rephrase. He provides the best support to owners of picloc. He does that by prioritizing the owners emails.

Would it be better in your book if he ignored existing owners and answered emails requesting to buy a product that's sold out?
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MombasaFlash

MombasaFlash

Heli's & Tele's bloke
wildnrg said:
Whilst his intention might be to provide "the best service around", the fact that he doesn't answer 500 unread emails, would be an indicator that he doesn't provide the best service around. Maybe if he answers emails promptly he would have no unread emails, you could say that he provides the best service around.
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Dear Johnny-Come-Lately 9 posts,

Before you run off at the mouth understand where you are and who you are dealing with. George Mamo commands a lot of respect around here for the highly specialised product he has designed and had made against incredible odds with poor manufacturers in China. Yes, it can be frustrating getting an email reply at times. The guy is busy.

Have you done anything worthwhile or do you just prowl forums and bad-mouth people?
 

BorisS

BorisS

Drone Enthusiast
yeah not so cool to come in and say a product sucks without having tested it. Even when owning it and being disappointed there are better ways of expressing it if there are problems. A lot off us are getting good results with picloc and on the other side there are some bumps on the road with FW releases. George is very eager though to fix these problems and to implement costumers feature requests. Lets cherish his efforts and that we finally have a cam stabi dedicated product !

Boris
 

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wildnrg

Member
90% of my original post wasn't about the problem with the Picloc.

It appears that a number of people here choose to ignore the 90% of my post and focus on 1 sentence. I wrote alot more about the problems with the FY30A!

BorisS said:
yeah not so cool to come in and say a product sucks without having tested it. Even when owning it and being disappointed there are better ways of expressing it if there are problems. A lot off us are getting good results with picloc and on the other side there are some bumps on the road with FW releases. George is very eager though to fix these problems and to implement costumers feature requests. Lets cherish his efforts and that we finally have a cam stabi dedicated product !

Boris
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wildnrg

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Lets not get personal.

Dear Mr 253 posts, some of us choose to listen/read more than talk. There was a reason why god gave you 2 eyes, 2 ears but only one mouth. Its not about how many posts. Maybe I don't have 253 posts because I only post when I believe that I have something worthwhile to say.

90% of my post was about the inability to find and acquire a good camera stabilisation system.

Bartman seems to be the only person here that had something useful to add when suggesting the Openpilot CC.


MombasaFlash said:
Dear Johnny-Come-Lately 9 posts,

Before you run off at the mouth understand where you are and who you are dealing with. George Mamo commands a lot of respect around here for the highly specialised product he has designed and had made against incredible odds with poor manufacturers in China. Yes, it can be frustrating getting an email reply at times. The guy is busy.

Have you done anything worthwhile or do you just prowl forums and bad-mouth people?
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BorisS

BorisS

Drone Enthusiast
well than we have it figured out and its all good and we can move on with something constructive :)

Boris
 

BorisS

BorisS

Drone Enthusiast
wildnrg said:
Dear Mr 253 posts, some of us choose to listen/read more than talk. There was a reason why god gave you 2 eyes, 2 ears but only one mouth. Its not about how many posts. Lets not get personal.

90% of my post was about the inability to find and acquire a good camera stabilisation system.

Maybe I don't have 253 posts because I only post when I believe that I have something worthwhile to say.
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wildnrg lets bring it back to normal and not state that getting personal is not the best way and than turning the page and doing the same.

Keep your eyes open there are a lot of interesting products from DJI and others coming out i am pretty sure.
 

redridinghood

redridinghood

Member
I find it humorous that the day an infamous American based company releases its rival product for gimbal stabilization this posts surfaces.
 

Macsgrafs

Macsgrafs

Active Member
What I think has happened in this thread is 1) George (picloc) is a guy like the rest of us & NOT a massive corporation, bit like IBCrazy & his antennas. 2)A few jumped on wildnrg when he never ran George down, he just pointed out what someone else had already stated, namely the 500 unanswered emails. I must take wildnrg's view here in that anyone who takes more than 48hrs to answer an important email, especially when that someone has paid over $300, will soon find themselves wondering why no one is buying their products!
It's called progress gents, we either keep up with supply N demand or someone else (Chinese) will fill the empty slot.

Just my 1pence worth

Ross
 



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wildnrg

Member
Well I managed to get the FY30A doing a reasonable (but not fantastic) job stabilising my AV200 360 gimbal.

What I did was switch the FY30A fro Camera Gimbal mode to standard airplane mode. Don't ask my why, but in airplane mode it is able to do a reasonable job of stabilising pitch and roll on the gimbal with a spectrum RX attached. Yaw stabilising doesn't work that well, with the gain high it oscillates, but with the gain lower, it doesn't apply enough correction.

So I've got the yaw directly connected to the RX, with Pitch and Roll connected via the Fy30A.

When it was in camera gimbal mode, the FY30 wouldn't give my TX enough throw to tilt the pitch 180 degrees.
 


MombasaFlash

MombasaFlash

Heli's & Tele's bloke
jes1111 said:
Back on topic ;) .. this might be interesting: http://www.hoverflytech.com/gimbal_1WNK.html - has anyone seen any real-life data on this yet?
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Friends in Ohio are going for this with a Copterworks heli. It is not actually available yet. We will know more once the first eager batch of guinea-pigs and beta-testers ... I mean customers ... start giving some feedback.

Of course our number one priority is camera stabilisation but only three channels is a bit limiting. End-Point limits and RTH are too useful to not have. And, their magnetometer will probably suffer from the same problems as the PL if it is mounted on the same gimbal.

One possible reason for the Cineron's excellence could be the fact that it communicates with the heli FC IMU and is consequently better equipped to handle inertial stabilisation. Something that the standalone boxes have trouble with. It is one thing to be able to sense horizontal when stationary, it is something else to be able to determine horizontal when being subjected to centrifugal forces during a turn.
 

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