Chargers: Hyperion vs iCharger?
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Lanzar
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Icharger ofc or b6. Both insane chargers but u need like 30 amps supply to feed them. If u have more pacs that u need to charge simutanius then i wood go for B6 othervise Icharger is a realy good charger made to last and suite u for a lot of years.
http://www.kopterworx.com/Chargers/ICharger-PRO-1000W
http://www.kopterworx.com/Chargers/B6-Ultimate-800W
http://www.kopterworx.com/Chargers/ICharger-PRO-1000W
http://www.kopterworx.com/Chargers/B6-Ultimate-800W
connexxion
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If I could turn back time I wouldn't buy an Icharger.
Would have gone for the Hyperion EOS 0720i NET3 instead.
Would have gone for the Hyperion EOS 0720i NET3 instead.
I too have the Thunder Power charger and I run it on a 24 volt power supply. I can charge both my Thunder Power G6 5000mah 4S 45C lipos the same time at 20amps each.
I'm running the maxamps.com 24 volt power supply
Rich
I'm running the maxamps.com 24 volt power supply
Rich
15Joe,
To charge a 4S 5000 mAh battery at 1C (in about 60 minutes), you need a charger capable of 5 Amps and a power supply capable of supplying 84 watts.
I do not think you will be happy with a charger & power supply only capable of 6.0A and 50 watts.
That Hyperion charger (HP-EOS606IAD) is only rated for 6.0 Amp charge and its internal power supply is only rated at 50 watts. It could only charge your battery at about 1C (5.0 Amps), and it would take longer than an hour for each balance charge, likely closer to 1.5 - 2 hours.
A more capable charger with a more powerful power supply could charge a lot faster (if your battery is rated for higher than 1C charge rates, and most are).
I charge my 4S 3300 mAh Hyperion battery pack at 4C, which is 13.2 Amps. At these settings, the battery is balance charged in about 16-17 minutes.
To calculate the charge amps, multiply the battery's "S-rating" by its amp-hours. "mAh" stands for milliamp-hours, or one-thousand of an amp-hour, so 3300 mAh/1000 = 3.3 amp-hours:
S-rating x amp-hours = amps
4 x 3.3 = 13.2 amps
In order for my charger to be able to charge at that rate, it would need a power supply capable of supplying a little more than 13.2 Amps and a little more than 252 watts (figure about 10% more of each to play it safe).
For what it is worth, my power supply is rated at 33 Amps at 15.15 volts, which generates 500 watts ( amps x volts = watts, or 33 x 15.15 = 500).
If I were you, i'd be looking for a charger that can handle 20 amps and a power supply that can generate 300+ watts.
To answer "which charger should I get?", you should ask yourself how quickly you would like to charge your batteries, and how quick of a charge they can take.
Some packs can only be charged at 1C maximum, many packs can take 4-6C charge rates, and some packs can be charged at 12C charge rates. The charge rate is different than the discharge rate (discharge rate always being much higher), so you'll have to check the specs from the manufacturer. A rough estimate of charge time, based on the "C" rating, is to divide 60 by the C rating. That will roughly give you the charge time in minutes. So at 1C charge rate, the battery will charge in about an hour 60/1 = 60 minutes. At a 4C charge rate, the battery will charge in about 15 minutes (60/4 = 15 minutes). Add a few minutes to the final number to account for the balance charge fine tuning each of the individual cells in the pack.
With some basic calculations, you could figure out the amount of current your charger will require (in amps) and the amount of power your power supply will need to generate (in watts).
How do you calculate watts?
Watts = Amps x Volts
How do you calculate volts?
A single lipo cell is fully charged at 4.2 volts, so to charge it fully, you need to get it 4.2 volts.
A battery pack's voltage is the pack's "s-rating" or "s-number" (ie: 1S, 2S, 4S...) multiplied by 4.2 volts.
So a 4S battery is considered a 16.8 volt battery pack.
5000 mAh = 5.0 Amps
So now we have the battery pack's amps (5.0A) and its voltage (16.8V), all we need now is to determine how quickly we want to charge them (the C rate), and from that info, we'll know how many amps our charger will need to support and how many watts our power supply will have to supply.
To charge a 4S 5000 mAh battery at 1C (in about 60 minutes), you need a charger capable of 5 amps and a power supply capable of 84 watts.
To charge a 4S 5000 mAh battery at 2C (in about 30 minutes), you need a charger capable of 10 amps and a power supply capable of 168 watts.
To charge a 4S 5000 mAh battery at 3C (in about 20 minutes), you need a charger capable of 15 amps and a power supply capable of 252 watts.
To charge a 4S 5000 mAh battery at 4C (in about 15 minutes), you need a charger capable of 20 amps and a power supply capable of 336 watts.
Keep in mind that the "S-rating" effects the power supply but not the Amps required by the charger. If you were to use 3S batteries:
To charge a 3S 5000 mAh battery at 4C (in about 15 minutes), you need a charger capable of 20 amps and a power supply capable of supplying 252 watts.
Also keep in mind that the size of the battery (its mAh rating) effects both the charger and power supply requirements:
To charge a 4S 3300 mAh battery at 4C (in about 15 minutes), you need a charger capable of 13.2 amps and a power supply capable of supplying 222 watts.
So you have two choices. Either get smaller batteries, or buy a bigger charger & power supply.
Unfortunately, a good, powerful charger & power supply can be very expensive. My charger & power supply combo was about $350, which is about as much as my quad, and that doesn't even include any of the batteries!
There are several good name-brand chargers and power supplies out there. Buy the specs you need from one of the good name brands, and the charger will be a good investment.
Here's a good variety of chargers, power supplies, and combos: http://www.progressiverc.com/chargers/charger-combos
I have a Progressive RC 33A/500w power supply, and noe that I've picked up 4S 5000 battery, and soon more, I feel like I've already outgrown the power supply (but not my Hyperion 720i Super Duo 3).
Hope this helps,
Will
To charge a 4S 5000 mAh battery at 1C (in about 60 minutes), you need a charger capable of 5 Amps and a power supply capable of supplying 84 watts.
I do not think you will be happy with a charger & power supply only capable of 6.0A and 50 watts.
That Hyperion charger (HP-EOS606IAD) is only rated for 6.0 Amp charge and its internal power supply is only rated at 50 watts. It could only charge your battery at about 1C (5.0 Amps), and it would take longer than an hour for each balance charge, likely closer to 1.5 - 2 hours.
A more capable charger with a more powerful power supply could charge a lot faster (if your battery is rated for higher than 1C charge rates, and most are).
I charge my 4S 3300 mAh Hyperion battery pack at 4C, which is 13.2 Amps. At these settings, the battery is balance charged in about 16-17 minutes.
To calculate the charge amps, multiply the battery's "S-rating" by its amp-hours. "mAh" stands for milliamp-hours, or one-thousand of an amp-hour, so 3300 mAh/1000 = 3.3 amp-hours:
S-rating x amp-hours = amps
4 x 3.3 = 13.2 amps
In order for my charger to be able to charge at that rate, it would need a power supply capable of supplying a little more than 13.2 Amps and a little more than 252 watts (figure about 10% more of each to play it safe).
For what it is worth, my power supply is rated at 33 Amps at 15.15 volts, which generates 500 watts ( amps x volts = watts, or 33 x 15.15 = 500).
If I were you, i'd be looking for a charger that can handle 20 amps and a power supply that can generate 300+ watts.
To answer "which charger should I get?", you should ask yourself how quickly you would like to charge your batteries, and how quick of a charge they can take.
Some packs can only be charged at 1C maximum, many packs can take 4-6C charge rates, and some packs can be charged at 12C charge rates. The charge rate is different than the discharge rate (discharge rate always being much higher), so you'll have to check the specs from the manufacturer. A rough estimate of charge time, based on the "C" rating, is to divide 60 by the C rating. That will roughly give you the charge time in minutes. So at 1C charge rate, the battery will charge in about an hour 60/1 = 60 minutes. At a 4C charge rate, the battery will charge in about 15 minutes (60/4 = 15 minutes). Add a few minutes to the final number to account for the balance charge fine tuning each of the individual cells in the pack.
With some basic calculations, you could figure out the amount of current your charger will require (in amps) and the amount of power your power supply will need to generate (in watts).
How do you calculate watts?
Watts = Amps x Volts
How do you calculate volts?
A single lipo cell is fully charged at 4.2 volts, so to charge it fully, you need to get it 4.2 volts.
A battery pack's voltage is the pack's "s-rating" or "s-number" (ie: 1S, 2S, 4S...) multiplied by 4.2 volts.
So a 4S battery is considered a 16.8 volt battery pack.
5000 mAh = 5.0 Amps
So now we have the battery pack's amps (5.0A) and its voltage (16.8V), all we need now is to determine how quickly we want to charge them (the C rate), and from that info, we'll know how many amps our charger will need to support and how many watts our power supply will have to supply.
To charge a 4S 5000 mAh battery at 1C (in about 60 minutes), you need a charger capable of 5 amps and a power supply capable of 84 watts.
To charge a 4S 5000 mAh battery at 2C (in about 30 minutes), you need a charger capable of 10 amps and a power supply capable of 168 watts.
To charge a 4S 5000 mAh battery at 3C (in about 20 minutes), you need a charger capable of 15 amps and a power supply capable of 252 watts.
To charge a 4S 5000 mAh battery at 4C (in about 15 minutes), you need a charger capable of 20 amps and a power supply capable of 336 watts.
Keep in mind that the "S-rating" effects the power supply but not the Amps required by the charger. If you were to use 3S batteries:
To charge a 3S 5000 mAh battery at 4C (in about 15 minutes), you need a charger capable of 20 amps and a power supply capable of supplying 252 watts.
Also keep in mind that the size of the battery (its mAh rating) effects both the charger and power supply requirements:
To charge a 4S 3300 mAh battery at 4C (in about 15 minutes), you need a charger capable of 13.2 amps and a power supply capable of supplying 222 watts.
So you have two choices. Either get smaller batteries, or buy a bigger charger & power supply.
Unfortunately, a good, powerful charger & power supply can be very expensive. My charger & power supply combo was about $350, which is about as much as my quad, and that doesn't even include any of the batteries!
There are several good name-brand chargers and power supplies out there. Buy the specs you need from one of the good name brands, and the charger will be a good investment.
Here's a good variety of chargers, power supplies, and combos: http://www.progressiverc.com/chargers/charger-combos
I have a Progressive RC 33A/500w power supply, and noe that I've picked up 4S 5000 battery, and soon more, I feel like I've already outgrown the power supply (but not my Hyperion 720i Super Duo 3).
Hope this helps,
Will
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Macsgrafs
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It saved me about $150 when I first found this. It's so easy to do & nearly everyone has an old computer kicking about somewhere. I use mine to power my camping fridge (12v @ 10A) & my Hyerpion 720i, total bargain...if bought new it would have been about $50 for a computer psu. Glad it has helped you out Terry.
Ross
Macsgrafs
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Remember the higer the computer wattage, the higher the current you can drag out of it.