AMA Says DO NOT REGISTER........yet

Bartman

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from the AMA tonight;


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Dear AMA Members,

Yesterday, the AMA Executive Council unanimously approved an action plan to relieve and further protect our members from unnecessary and burdensome regulations. This plan addresses the recently announced interim rule requiring federal registration of all model aircraft and unmanned aircraft systems (UAS) weighing between 0.55 and 55 pounds.

AMA has long used a similar registration system with our members, which we pointed out during the task force deliberations and in private conversations with the FAA. As you are aware, AMA's safety program instructs all members to place his or her AMA number or name and address on or within their model aircraft, effectively accomplishing the safety and accountability objectives of the interim rule. AMA has also argued that the new registration rule runs counter to Congress' intent in Section 336 of the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012, otherwise known as the "Special Rule for Model Aircraft."

The Council is considering all legal and political remedies to address this issue. We believe that resolution to the unnecessary federal registration rule for our members rests with AMA's petition before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. This petition, filed in August 2014, asks the court to review the FAA's interpretation of the "Special Rule for Model Aircraft." The central issue is whether the FAA has the authority to expand the definition of aircraft to include model aircraft; thus, allowing the agency to establish new standards and operating criteria to which model aircraft operators have never been subject to in the past.

In promulgating its interim rule for registration earlier this week, the FAA repeatedly stated that model aircraft are aircraft, despite the fact that litigation is pending on this very question. The Council believes the FAA's reliance on its interpretation of Section 336 for legal authority to compel our members to register warrants the Court's immediate attention to AMA's petition.

While we continue to believe that registration makes sense at some threshold and for flyers operating outside of a community-based organization or flying for commercial purposes, we also strongly believe our members are not the problem and should not have to bear the burden of additional regulations. Safety has been the cornerstone of our organization for 80 years and AMA's members strive to be a part of the solution.

As we proceed with this process, we suggest AMA members hold off on registering their model aircraft with the FAA until advised by the AMA or until February 19, the FAA's legal deadline for registering existing model aircraft.

Holding off on registration will allow AMA time to fully consider all possible options. On a parallel track, it also allows AMA to complete ongoing conversations with the FAA about how best to streamline the registration process for our members.

In the near future, we will also be asking our members to make their voices heard by submitting comments to the FAA's interim rule on registration. We will follow-up soon with more detailed information on how to do this.

Thank you for your continued support of AMA. We will provide you with more updates as they become available.

Kind regards,


The AMA Executive Council

Bob Brown, AMA President
Gary Fitch, AMA Executive Vice President
Andy Argenio, AMA Vice President, District I
Eric Williams, AMA Vice President, District II
Mark Radcliff, AMA Vice President, District III
Jay Marsh, AMA Vice President, District IV
Kris Dixon, AMA Vice President, District V
Randy Cameron, AMA Vice President, District VI
Tim Jesky, AMA Vice President, District VII
Mark Johnston, AMA Vice President, District VIII
Jim Tiller, AMA Vice President, District IX
Lawrence Tougas, AMA Vice President, District X
Chuck Bower, AMA Vice President, District XI
 

jfro

Aerial Fun
Looks like there is some fight in them...... If I were a lawyer, I'd be thinking I could have enough work for the next decade.... It's a cluster F***.
 


Av8Chuck

Member
The time for the tough talk with the fancy words was before the ruling, not after. They had plenty of notice that this was happening and everyone tried to "get along" thinking that somehow this only effects the other guy. Pay the $5 buck and shut up. Count it as a vegetable and move on? Wait, is that the fat lady I hear singing?
 


Av8Chuck

Member
If no one registers what are they going to do? Its not like they can afford to enforce this. [note to IRS, I'm just quoting Pat...]
 

Old Man

Active Member
Lol, your attempt at deflection was low brow :)

Realistically, and based on current IRS and NSA capabilities, with just a little networking between the two it would be relatively easy to issue a blanket order freezing the bank accounts of anyone that has posted in the last 12 months in any forum that discusses remote flight operations and associated products. The days of innocent until proven guilty are long past. The reverse is now the norm, and is especially true with administrative actions.

Demanding warranty registrations would be another means of obtaining self incrimination documentation. Our gov doesn't care about their costs and labor time management. The only salvation with warranties is that most of them are held by foreign corporations.
 
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SamaraMedia

Active Member
Don't forget those of us that sent in comments on all the rulings, could send us all letters since we already responded by email...
 

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fengshuidrone

Guest
I completely understand the AMA's stance on this due to the fact that basically the feds just moved in on their turf. Why should any hobbyist bother to join AMA now that the feds have given everybody what the AMA used to give, a number. Well, never mind the flight insurance part.
 

Av8Chuck

Member
Lol, your attempt at deflection was low brow :)

Did you expect anything different?

Realistically, and based on current IRS and NSA capabilities, with just a little networking between the two it would be relatively easy to issue a blanket order freezing the bank accounts of anyone that has posted in the last 12 months in any forum that discusses remote flight operations and associated products. The days of innocent until proven guilty are long past. The reverse is now the norm, and is especially true with administrative actions.

Pat are you becoming a prepper?

I'm working with a joint task force which includes the Navy, FBI, Coast Guard, Army, all the usual suspects, I know you've worked in that environment too, and the regulatory issues effects them as much as us and they react to it pretty much the same way that we do. When we talk about the regulatory process its made up of folks that have a lot more in common with us than people realize. There's certainly opportunity for abuse but I don't think its as dire as your suggesting. You know me i HATE this crap as much or more as anyone else.

You just make sure you leave room for me in your bunker...
 

cootertwo

Member
"BIG BRO" is at work.............. making a list and checkin it twice........... who's been naughty?..... and who's been nice?..........

sorry, couldn't resist.. Merry Christmas
 

Old Man

Active Member
Did you expect anything different?



Pat are you becoming a prepper?

I'm working with a joint task force which includes the Navy, FBI, Coast Guard, Army, all the usual suspects, I know you've worked in that environment too, and the regulatory issues effects them as much as us and they react to it pretty much the same way that we do. When we talk about the regulatory process its made up of folks that have a lot more in common with us than people realize. There's certainly opportunity for abuse but I don't think its as dire as your suggesting. You know me i HATE this crap as much or more as anyone else.

You just make sure you leave room for me in your bunker...

Actually, your response was totally predictable. We play very well together in that respect.:)

Prepper? Me? Not hardly but my environment is all about data collection, sharing, and analysis. I'm only in the outside fringe of what gets done but what I've seen shakes my tree pretty good.

Although the various government and military work that borders what we do IS impacted by NAS rules and regs they have advantages we don't in being able to operate under umbrellas that were granted for military technologies. Some of them are indeed doing things with multirotors and small fixed wing stuff but they are also systematically testing the equipment and developing operator, operating, and flight safety standards that are being submitted to the FAA and others to establish the rules that all others will have to play by. All those press releases about working forest fires, off shore drug interdiction, pipeline inspections, and railway inspections weren't just "hey, look at what we can do" statements, they were also about how they WILL be done. That is an underlying message most have missed. They were all done as an approved Pathfinder operation.

Oh, when you head for my bunker be sure to bring your tinfoil brain shield. We'll prolly be running low on the stuff by that point;)
 

Av8Chuck

Member
I see your point. Its like everything the government does, they will tell us how to do something then there will be the actual way it gets done.

Hey I was going to bring women, but ok foil it is..
 


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