Airport X rays and the trouble they cause ....

ZAxis

Member
Recently made the first overseas trip with the ADH3X/MK Y6 hexacopter, broken down with legs+gimble separated from the body and packed into a foam lined box.Had to convince the Southampton FlyBe staff the Lipos has to be hand carried and not put in the hold. It took them a little while to confirm this and were cool about it afterwards. It arrived in one piece and flew perfectly. The results have already been posted http://www.multirotorforums.com/showthread.php?113-Show-what-you-filmed&p=75082#post75082
Packed it back up again and flew back. No hassle from French check in staff ... is it a wet cell ? ... no ... all is OK then.
Waited a couple of days before trying to fly again. When I did, it powered up but did not give the normal calibration beeps - only one beep. It also showed no telemetry on the MX20 Tx. The motors started up as normal but on attempting lift off it flipped forward immediately and broke 4 props. Bummer ! ...... Middle of the Welsh country side and this has to happen ! Gave up, went home.
Back home, checked things over. Everything was the same so there was a permanent problem of some sort. Did a physical check over and nothing was broken or loose.
Hooked up to MKtools to check the electronics, again everything looked normal. No errors so did a reflash of the FC firmware. No change. Did a magnet calib ... no change. Looking back at the MKtool settings noticed that the Rx was set to Jeti Satellite rather than Graupner HOTT .... something WAS wrong but why ? Set it correctly but the Gyro initialisation still gave the single beep so there was more to it than that. Mulling things over it seemed that the problem was the electronics but what had happened ... the only thing that came to mind was airport X ray scanners and their effect on electronics. The hexa had been hold luggage so would have gone thru the baggage hall X ray which is capable of higher output than the departure lounge ones. So did a complete firmware reflash and wiped the EEPROM. On startup, it initialised correctly and gave the right number of beeps - hurrah! A very cautious flight test confirmed things were pretty much back to normal.
So I'm going to blame an over enthusiastic X ray operator trying to figure out what the strange three armed thing inside the wooden box was turning up the power to penetrate deeper which zapped some EEPROM settings.
It would be interesting to know if anyone else has had similar problems but it also a warning to others that travel with their gear not to assume everything will survive air travel intact.

Andy & Lec
 

Macsgrafs

Active Member
Lucky it was when coming home, just imagine going away to do a shoot overseas..you get there & promptly crash due to xrays!!!! Nasty stuff guys, glad you got it all sussed. I'm sure there is a way to get MR's through customs without it having to be xrayed. I used to travel to the states with work & bring back phone circuit boards for testing to BSI standards & we used to walk through customs & they would open & examine instead of xrays.

Ross
 



DucktileMedia

Drone Enthusiast
If you had a lead shield they could turn it up all they want. But then they might ask you to take it out be investigated which would take longer. but at least you would avoid the damage.
 

JLO

Member
2 questions
1 if your center frame is with out the booms when traveling why not just hand carrie with you the center with all of its electronics
2 ZAxis could you remind us the procedure of reseting the EEPROM settings
thanks
 

ovdt

Member
Andy,

I had two weird behaviour with my MK setups in the past; both of them were not related to Xrays.

* First problem was similar to yours; settings were erased suddeny. So I had to configure everything from the beginning.
* My hexa lost its ACC level values. It was flying perfectly the day before. I checked it with MK Tools and it was out of level. Had to do ACC Level calibration again; lucky I didnt have any crashes.

I'm travelling with airplanes so frequently and nothing happened so far related to the Xrays.
 

ZAxis

Member
Andy,

I had two weird behaviour with my MK setups in the past; both of them were not related to Xrays.

* First problem was similar to yours; settings were erased suddeny. So I had to configure everything from the beginning.
* My hexa lost its ACC level values. It was flying perfectly the day before. I checked it with MK Tools and it was out of level. Had to do ACC Level calibration again; lucky I didnt have any crashes.

I'm travelling with airplanes so frequently and nothing happened so far related to the Xrays.

Ovdt ...

I too have travelled by air a lot and never knowingly had problems due to Xrays on everyday electronic items or specialised electronic pcbs but I've always had a little mistrust of the machines and their operators. Their job is to make sure nothing untoward gets on an airliner, if this means turning up the wick they will especially in the baggage hall away from public gaze. It was this and the timing of the problems that gave rise to my conclusion. The only other one that comes to mind is static electricity but that tends to affect component before they are fitted. EEPROMS by their nature are only temporary storage and the component most susceptible to radiation damage. Since it was only a few parameter settings that seemed to have been affected just added to my conclusion.
I hate random electronic failures. My everyday job deals with electronics driving high voltage scientific instruments and I'm driven to distraction trying to explain odd blips and such things to customers who expect perfection. This time the tables have been turned on me.
Anyway all seems OK now but a lingering doubt will remain ...

andy
 

ovdt

Member
Ovdt ...

I too have travelled by air a lot and never knowingly had problems due to Xrays on everyday electronic items or specialised electronic pcbs but I've always had a little mistrust of the machines and their operators. Their job is to make sure nothing untoward gets on an airliner, if this means turning up the wick they will especially in the baggage hall away from public gaze. It was this and the timing of the problems that gave rise to my conclusion. The only other one that comes to mind is static electricity but that tends to affect component before they are fitted. EEPROMS by their nature are only temporary storage and the component most susceptible to radiation damage. Since it was only a few parameter settings that seemed to have been affected just added to my conclusion.
I hate random electronic failures. My everyday job deals with electronics driving high voltage scientific instruments and I'm driven to distraction trying to explain odd blips and such things to customers who expect perfection. This time the tables have been turned on me.
Anyway all seems OK now but a lingering doubt will remain ...

andy

I meant, I am travelling a lot with my MKs with airplane. It's been over 20 times I think.
 

ovdt

Member
An update about erased EEPROM settings.

Today I was photo shooting for a customer. We did 4 flights, each of them was around 6 minutes. After the 4th flight, I landed to change the battery. Plugged in the battery, did the gyro calibration.

I tried to enter the MK Telemetry menu but I couldn't. I checked if I changed the SUMO channel settings mistakenly. But no. I tried to arm the kopter and it was getting armed. But why no telemetry? I tried to fly, and the kopter was uncontrollable. Lucky no crashes.

I checked it with MK tools and all the paramaters were erased and replaced with the default ones. I had to redo the ACC Calibration, put the settings back in. Again it's flying.

So this awkward problem can appear suddenly. I had this problem before at the field back in summer.

For me, if I can't get into the telemetry menu, it means the EEPROM was reset.
 

ZAxis

Member
Interesting ... is it just us or is this a more widespread problem. A lot of MK systems are getting a little aged now, I wonder if it's a late life problem. If so, it does point to possible static damage during construction.
As you say, it's an awkward problem and catch anyone out at any time.
 

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