Please help. Maiden my F450/NAZA and need your gain values...
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au16aK6Q-0p0dENkdXVGVHJLRm5fRTFQdjBZbUhxZ3c&pli=1#gid=0
a whole menu of flavors to try. You'll love the flamewheel, it's a tough lil bugger. I pitched mine into a fence today and didn't even break a prop... for once.
a whole menu of flavors to try. You'll love the flamewheel, it's a tough lil bugger. I pitched mine into a fence today and didn't even break a prop... for once.
BorisS
Drone Enthusiast
Hi Jack,
the best would be that you but basic gains pitch roll yaw on your radio, on a slider. Do you know how to do this ? In that way you can change the gains during flight noticing what feels best. Going up in 10% step can be a long way and annoying. Otherwise you can also do it step by step. Bring up your basic gain until you see oscillations on your frame. If you see those bring it down again. Until they are gone. Its hard to take someone elses setting because the question is what you consider stable or the right flight experience.
Boris
the best would be that you but basic gains pitch roll yaw on your radio, on a slider. Do you know how to do this ? In that way you can change the gains during flight noticing what feels best. Going up in 10% step can be a long way and annoying. Otherwise you can also do it step by step. Bring up your basic gain until you see oscillations on your frame. If you see those bring it down again. Until they are gone. Its hard to take someone elses setting because the question is what you consider stable or the right flight experience.
Boris
kloner
Aerial DP
most of us drop the atti setting and raise the manual gains. like you see in the sheet.
what you described is a oscillation and that is associated with high gains. The controls will feel sticky too when there higher. i bet if you get the man to 130's and atti to 80, add a little expo if your not used to flying and have at a maiden your gonna be close
what you described is a oscillation and that is associated with high gains. The controls will feel sticky too when there higher. i bet if you get the man to 130's and atti to 80, add a little expo if your not used to flying and have at a maiden your gonna be close
I committed one of my auxiliary channels to an OSD function and it would be really hard to rewire to a gain knob. I could do the other spare channel to either pitch or roll though...
I tried another brief hover at 90% on the stabilization, leaving the manual gain as is and it seemed to fly really well with no overcompensation.
I'll know better when I put it into forward flight.
Does the manual gain affect the stabilization at all?
I tried another brief hover at 90% on the stabilization, leaving the manual gain as is and it seemed to fly really well with no overcompensation.
I'll know better when I put it into forward flight.
Does the manual gain affect the stabilization at all?
BorisS
Drone Enthusiast
yes basic is the main variable for autoleveling,
forget about the advanced setting its for WKM, but the rest it the same
WKM Detailed Descriptions on Autopilot parameter setting
When user is configuring the parameters, please ensure that:
1. Aircraft has been correctly installed and ready to fly.
2. Test with no wind
3. Sufficient space for the test flight.
4. Test in Atti mode first.
5. With any mechanical problems, the aircraft are unable to achieve the best performance.
For the majority users of multirotor, the default parameter is good to flight. For security reasons, the default 100% is slightly smaller for most of the frames. This document is to guide the users how to configure the parameters properly to achieve the best performance.
First, the user shall restore all default parameters to 100%.
1. Basic parameters
We recommend to start from the basic parameters, because other parameters won’t help if the basic parameters are not set appropriately.
There are four directions for these,namely, pitch, roll, yaw and vertical. The method is the similar to that when we adjust gyro sense.
A. Pitch, roll:
For the first flight, pls go to an open area with no wind, test in Atti mode. Throttle slowly up to take the aircraft off the ground. See if It is oscillate in relevant direction. If everything seems fine, you can try to move the cyclic stick to feel how it responds to stick commands.
B. Push the stick to make the aircraft tilt, and then release immediately.Watch the response when it’s self leveling automatically. If it is too sluggish, increase the parameters by 10% -15% each time, until it wobbles when self leveling. Now the feeling will be more direct and straightforward.
C. But we do not want it wobble, so we need to slightly reduce the values.
B. Tail
The sensitivity of the tail is actually very easy to adjust, because there is only one basic sensitivity parameters, like general head-locking gyro. You can increase the gain to make it more sensitive and vice versa. As to multi-rotor platform, however, it is necessary to know that anti-torque for the blades controls the rotation of the tail. Due to the limited strength, it can’t shake like the tail of helicopters no matter how big the gain is, but will get motor to start and stop very agilely to affect the stability of the other direction.
If it is asymmetric about the speed to turn, please carefully check if the motors are installed upward straightly.
C. Height
There are two methods to verify if vertical gain is appropriate. Check if the height can be maintained when throttle stick stays central, or if there is a significant altitude change when flying cruise.
If it is the first time to fly, you can make it through the following way to reach a relatively appropriate gain. To increase vertical gain step up by 10% until vertical shock just happens or over-sensitive reaction from throttle stick. The phenomenon above mean too high gain, you can decrease the gain by 20% to get the relatively appropriate gain.
2.
Attitude Gain
Appropriate basic parameters have already been good for most of the flight. If the user would like to further enhance the control feeling, because each person's individual requirements for multi-rotor is not the same, you can then fine-tune the attitude gain.
.
Attitude gain only works for pitch and roll. High gains mean faster reaction of multi-rotor with the same stick range. Full stick range is corresponding to 35°multi-rotor inclines. For example, if the stick range is 20°now, the higher the gain is, the faster the multi-rotor inclines to 20°, and vice versa. Please note, too high or too low gains are not good, too low gains can make multi-rotor out of control, and shocking caused by too high gains. The default 100% is a little bit low to most of multi-rotors, but it could be adjusted higher or lower by 10% to reach the best control effect. Lower than 80% or higher than 150% are not recommended generally.
3.
Advance Parameters
Do not arbitrarily modify the advanced parameters since default values are suitable for almost all multi-rotors. Just keeping the default value of 100% is OK.
Introduction of advanced parameters:
A. I: Better left alone, it is mainly for forward flight with head wind. Increase for strong head wind. Decrease for strong tail wind.
B. Velocity damping: Ascending and descending braking, as to how fast you want the multi to stop. Increase value to have fast braking.
C. Increase to have higher position hold; decrease to have less. Fine tuning between ATTi and GPS modes in position hold.
Kind Remind: do not modify the default values without professional guidance. All advance parameters are only good in GPS mode.
forget about the advanced setting its for WKM, but the rest it the same
WKM Detailed Descriptions on Autopilot parameter setting
When user is configuring the parameters, please ensure that:
1. Aircraft has been correctly installed and ready to fly.
2. Test with no wind
3. Sufficient space for the test flight.
4. Test in Atti mode first.
5. With any mechanical problems, the aircraft are unable to achieve the best performance.
For the majority users of multirotor, the default parameter is good to flight. For security reasons, the default 100% is slightly smaller for most of the frames. This document is to guide the users how to configure the parameters properly to achieve the best performance.
First, the user shall restore all default parameters to 100%.
1. Basic parameters
We recommend to start from the basic parameters, because other parameters won’t help if the basic parameters are not set appropriately.
There are four directions for these,namely, pitch, roll, yaw and vertical. The method is the similar to that when we adjust gyro sense.
A. Pitch, roll:
For the first flight, pls go to an open area with no wind, test in Atti mode. Throttle slowly up to take the aircraft off the ground. See if It is oscillate in relevant direction. If everything seems fine, you can try to move the cyclic stick to feel how it responds to stick commands.
B. Push the stick to make the aircraft tilt, and then release immediately.Watch the response when it’s self leveling automatically. If it is too sluggish, increase the parameters by 10% -15% each time, until it wobbles when self leveling. Now the feeling will be more direct and straightforward.
C. But we do not want it wobble, so we need to slightly reduce the values.
B. Tail
The sensitivity of the tail is actually very easy to adjust, because there is only one basic sensitivity parameters, like general head-locking gyro. You can increase the gain to make it more sensitive and vice versa. As to multi-rotor platform, however, it is necessary to know that anti-torque for the blades controls the rotation of the tail. Due to the limited strength, it can’t shake like the tail of helicopters no matter how big the gain is, but will get motor to start and stop very agilely to affect the stability of the other direction.
If it is asymmetric about the speed to turn, please carefully check if the motors are installed upward straightly.
C. Height
There are two methods to verify if vertical gain is appropriate. Check if the height can be maintained when throttle stick stays central, or if there is a significant altitude change when flying cruise.
If it is the first time to fly, you can make it through the following way to reach a relatively appropriate gain. To increase vertical gain step up by 10% until vertical shock just happens or over-sensitive reaction from throttle stick. The phenomenon above mean too high gain, you can decrease the gain by 20% to get the relatively appropriate gain.
2.
Attitude Gain
Appropriate basic parameters have already been good for most of the flight. If the user would like to further enhance the control feeling, because each person's individual requirements for multi-rotor is not the same, you can then fine-tune the attitude gain.
.
Attitude gain only works for pitch and roll. High gains mean faster reaction of multi-rotor with the same stick range. Full stick range is corresponding to 35°multi-rotor inclines. For example, if the stick range is 20°now, the higher the gain is, the faster the multi-rotor inclines to 20°, and vice versa. Please note, too high or too low gains are not good, too low gains can make multi-rotor out of control, and shocking caused by too high gains. The default 100% is a little bit low to most of multi-rotors, but it could be adjusted higher or lower by 10% to reach the best control effect. Lower than 80% or higher than 150% are not recommended generally.
3.
Advance Parameters
Do not arbitrarily modify the advanced parameters since default values are suitable for almost all multi-rotors. Just keeping the default value of 100% is OK.
Introduction of advanced parameters:
A. I: Better left alone, it is mainly for forward flight with head wind. Increase for strong head wind. Decrease for strong tail wind.
B. Velocity damping: Ascending and descending braking, as to how fast you want the multi to stop. Increase value to have fast braking.
C. Increase to have higher position hold; decrease to have less. Fine tuning between ATTi and GPS modes in position hold.
Kind Remind: do not modify the default values without professional guidance. All advance parameters are only good in GPS mode.
but the basic are the same. No difference between basic and attitude gains in the FCsSome more NAZA gains here.
http://www.multirotorforums.com/showthread.php?2199-Nasa-Flame-Wheel-Surprise!/page2
Have fun.
sj
http://www.multirotorforums.com/showthread.php?2199-Nasa-Flame-Wheel-Surprise!/page2
Have fun.
sj