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The FAA Says You Can't Post Drone Videos on YouTube

Discussion in 'Recreational sUAS Flyers Discussions' started by SleepyC, Mar 12, 2015.

  1. SleepyC

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    Posted by SleepyC, Mar 12, 2015 #1
    Well this is interesting....

    From Motherboard...

    For full article look here.
     
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  2. SleepyC

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    Posted by SleepyC, Mar 12, 2015 #2

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  3. Gary Seven

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    Posted by Gary Seven, Mar 12, 2015 #3
    Well, my first reaction to a letter like that would be, "F**k you AND the horse you rode in on", but that's just me. Really, what can one do with bureaucracy run amok??:mad:
     
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  4. SleepyC

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    Posted by SleepyC, Mar 12, 2015 #4
    This is total BS.
    WOW.
    I am dumbfounded.
     
  5. SamaraMedia

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    Posted by SamaraMedia, Mar 12, 2015 #5
    Total government control and total BS. It was only a matter of time before the FAA stepped in, now they feel they can regulate our free speech by what we can and can't post on YouTube? Why stop there, I think they should go straight to Google, since they own YouTube, and demand they not allow any more video from drones. I don't sign up for YouTube to run ads on any videos I post but they end up there anyway so really I'm not making any money off the video so why should I be responsible for what YouTube has for a business model. Our government is WAY out of control. I prefer everything I post goes to Vimeo anyway.
     
  6. SchrodingersCar

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    Posted by SchrodingersCar, Mar 12, 2015 #6
    I was getting the impression that many people expected the FAA to be relatively more "chill" about things like this now that the new NPRM is out for comments. Guess that's not true...
     
  7. PeteDee

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    Posted by PeteDee, Mar 12, 2015 #7
    So post to Vimeo.
     
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  8. DucktileMedia

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    Posted by DucktileMedia, Mar 12, 2015 #8
    wow, the government found a loophole in the system. As stated, vimeo does not have ads, so therefore would not be commercial. This is ridiculous. This would never fly in court though. You, as a video uploader, have no choice what ads are placed if at all. It is Youtube that is monetizing the videos. Can one opt out of making money from ads on YT? This is like Facebook claiming possession of your uploaded content and selling it without your permission. Is it illegal to upload to facebook as well? There are better ways to solve the growing drone problem. 500% import tax from China!
     
  9. SchrodingersCar

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    Posted by SchrodingersCar, Mar 12, 2015 #9
    Hang on, maybe I missed it but where in the FAA letter does it say this has anything to do with ads?

    Update: The FAA says it's now looking further into how its safety inspectors send letters like this.

    "The FAA’s goal is to promote voluntary compliance by educating individual UAS operators about how they can operate safely under current regulations and laws," the agency said. "The FAA’s guidance calls for inspectors to notify someone with a letter and then follow up. The guidance does not include language about advertising. The FAA will look into the matter."
     
  10. DucktileMedia

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    Posted by DucktileMedia, Mar 12, 2015 #10
    "The FAA said that, because there are ads on YouTube, Hanes's flights constituted a commercial use of the technology subject to stricter regulations and enforcement action from the agency. It said that if he did not stop flying “commercially,” he could be subject to fines or sanctions."
     
  11. SchrodingersCar

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    Posted by SchrodingersCar, Mar 12, 2015 #11
    I think that's just bad journalism. It seems pretty clear that the FAA rep they interviewed has no clue why the letter was sent. The "FAA" said nothing about ads in the actual letter.
     
  12. scotth

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    Posted by scotth, Mar 12, 2015 #12
    And what if a non commercially rated pilot posts his GoPro footage from his Cessna? They don't seem to care about that, and I've never heard of anyone being asked about the un approved strut mount either.. stupid.
     
  13. Jumpy07

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    Posted by Jumpy07, Mar 13, 2015 #13
    When I did my training for my UK CAA permissions, this subject came up.. it was states that as you can profit from YouTube videos it was seen as commercial use.... and as such you must have Permission for Aerial Work from UK CAA
     
  14. haha49

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    Posted by haha49, Mar 13, 2015 #14

    It all depends on who gets the money. If he gets nothing... Then it's not commercial now they have to prove that he got money from it. Ads by them self doesn't prove anything as putting music that on it may make it so he doesn't get anything from it.

    1 could argue that you didn't get paid for the drone footage you got paid for editing the footage and puttings music on it ect. If you tweaked it then you edited it. It's not for a commercial purpose if you get paid to edit footage... The flight was free.....
     
  15. Hexacrafter

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    Posted by Hexacrafter, Mar 13, 2015 #15
    I have been contacted by a few of our clients who have received similar letters. From what we can ascertain, most of these letters are initiated by someone contacting the FAA with a complaint about a specific operator. They usually refer to "evidence" of improper use referencing YouTube videos posted the operator. This then leads the FAA investigator to the operator's Website which slams the door that the operator is running a commercial operation.
    I have seen postings that the FAA is out scanning YouTube for videos to catch offenders. From the information we have been provided, this is not the case, but rather a rival operator has contacted the FAA and complained which initiated the FAA investigation. In all cases that I have knowledge of, the operator also maintained a website advertising aerial services with links to the YouTube videos.
    It is just my opinion, but posting aerial videos to YouTube by a hobbyist are not being banned by the FAA, but rather YouTube videos posted by commercial operators, helps provide the FAA with evidence of a violation... especially when their are company logos or web-link information on the posted videos.
     
  16. SchrodingersCar

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  17. JoeBob

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    Posted by JoeBob, Mar 13, 2015 #17
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    Posted by eskil23, Mar 14, 2015 #18
    "After a review of your website, it does appear..."

    FAA think Mr Hanes owns Youtube!?
     
  19. dazzab

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    Posted by dazzab, Mar 14, 2015 #19
    What I don't understand about situation like this is that there must be thousands of people openly advertising commercial businesses using multi rotors. How are they getting away with that when even someone like this who is just openly sharing his photos casually is being contacted by the FAA?
     
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    Posted by chopper jockey, Mar 14, 2015 #20
    [QUOTE="haha49, post: 198629, member: 13914"]It all depends on who gets the money. If he gets nothing... Then it's not commercial now they have to prove that he got money from it. Ads by them self doesn't prove anything as putting music that on it may make it so he doesn't get anything from it.

    1 could argue that you didn't get paid for the drone footage you got paid for editing the footage and puttings music on it ect. If you tweaked it then you edited it. It's not for a commercial purpose if you get paid to edit footage... The flight was free.....[/QUOTE]


    In the UK, it does not depend on who gets the money. It depends on "if valuable consideration has been paid or promised in connection with or for the purpose of the flight".

    So if any money was paid (to anyone) as a result of the flight taking place, then it commercial.

    Presumably the same interpretation applies in the US?
     
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