motors don't spin up on 5S?

I have just bought and installed some MT2814(similar to AVrotor) motors, these are 710kv not 770kv,

on 3s or 4s all motors start fine, on 5s or 6s I can't get all the motors to spin up? 1, 2 or even 6 spin up and it's never the same ones?

all work on 3S or 4S, and the roxxys i took off had no issues on 3,4,5 or 6s. Running BL1,2 with 25v caps to handle 5S or 6S,

anyone have an idea?
 
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just had an idea, the motors came with 3 black wires so I have no idea which is which, I know we dealing with AC but would the order make a difference?
 


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