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All fantastic info - thanks. I have various 'bits' for building and some 'stuff' so the little things like connectors (xt-60) and 3.5mm bullets and soldering iron, heat shrink etc. etc. It's good to get the knowledge before commiting to expense. So 450 size and the 3 and 4 cell batteries will...

Ok great so .... learning: 250 or 450 sized? escs and motors? frame? what would you recommend to learn with?

Thanks for the input so far guys ..... Motor Turnigy Multistar 4822-570Kv 22Pole probably Longer term after learning I want a beast that will allow for some camera work hence the powerful motors. So is there merit in small and cheap and then a complete new build or ..... build with these or...

Thoughts on this please (the little frame is for part already in my house (crashed panes etc). Quantity Stock Product description Price Weight OK 366000004-0 - HobbyKing FPV250 Quad Copter A Mini Size.. $9.99 177 OK 9323000069 - Turnigy Tactical Talon Camouflage Quad-c.. $32.88 675...

Newbie in all of this ...... just hi and I'll post a list of parts for someone to look at either here or somewhere else once I have found my way around